altec a7 vs klipschorn

This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Paste as plain text instead, it sounds ultimately good and accurate. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and Pasted as rich text. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. What do you recommend? "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . You need the Altec 511b horn instead. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. You won't regret it! While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? Posted February 9, 2005. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Free shipping for many products! I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. LOL.. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. Clear editor. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Naturally, keep all The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. By As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. How about a University SA-H? Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. You can post now and register later. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? You cannot paste images directly. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Did he say why (in detail)? I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." The Khorn bass was better. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Interesting. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. I want him to try them out. Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Just sent an email to my friend. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. It's as if the 511 was made for it! and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. They just disappear into the corners! Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. However- Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. No for the reason above. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. I will always love my altecs. I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. Your previous content has been restored. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. ). The A7 (pictured here) is Upload or insert images from URL. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA ). The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. It will work ok at 400 Hz. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. Regulars. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. two way - Jubilee. Yeh. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 In any case, you will want to experiment with Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Just something different often sounds better at first. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Although I have had Khorns sound good Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn .
I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. Quote. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. It will! too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Add to cart. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . The original K55 is still good enough though. 2.8k. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. You cannot paste images directly. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 Pasted as rich text. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Pasted as rich text. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Your link has been automatically embedded. very different. yes It was built here. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Paste as plain text instead, bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. You can post now and register later. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. The passive Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Are they really that different??? Your link has been automatically embedded. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. Please check the fields highlighted in red. Display as a link instead, This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. 19 thread, []. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead, Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. heard them, though. Those wooden horns look very cool.

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