memories of palmers green

Was that called Pritchards or am I mixing it up with somewhere else? A group of Palmers Green residents, in association with Friends of Broomfield Park, are planning to open a small, not-for-profit Community Cafe in a disused building in Broomfield Park. Palmers Green, Greater London Old Photos, Historic Maps, Local History Books and Memories of Palmers Green Frith photos prompt happy memories of our personal history, so enjoy this trip down memory lane with our old photos, historic maps, local history books, and memories of Palmers Green. I guess that makes you and she cousins! As I hadnt had any response to my original comment I was beginning to think I had imagined him. Before Victor Value there was a lovely old music hall. Hello Brian, Im so glad you remember Dr Baxter. "One night in March 1941, the Dance Hall (held in the Princes Hall above Pitman's College) in Green Lanes, Palmers Green was bombed. Recall Mrs Potts and Mrs Langford and Miss Buchanon (whom I disliked nasty old bat). CameraCraft shop. My parents told me that they, as newly weds, lived in a flat over the Dolls Hospital in Palmers Green. I used to buy my records from Ashwells which was next door to Lloyds Bank. Hello again, I posted a question about your possible father Fred Rann, but I now realise I meant Sid Rann, was he your father? Memories in Palmers Green Read people's stories relating to this area: A Young Person's War in London: Hospital Care, Saved by Dad, Music from German POWs Contributed originally by Julian Barrett ( BBC WW2 People's War) As I was only 3 at the outbreak in September 1939 my strongest memories are of the latter stages of the war. It was a large detached house surrounded by a beautiful garden which took up the whole of that corner site. Me But although it stopped above us it must have drifted because the next day going to school I saw it had hit the house the other side of the field in Hazelwood Lane. I lived in Tottenham rd during the war and remember being wrapped in a tartan rug and carried out side by my dad who was an air raid warden to see. Anyone remember The Quick Service Cafe on the corner of Bowes Rd and N Circular run by I lived next to the Bird In Hand Pub in the early 79s, but my grandparents used to own a toy and Oran shop on the corner of Tottenham road and wolves lane. Annyway she, (my Ma) also directed me to buy my first suit from them (powder blue with just a touch o pink pin stripes) for my first day to work in 1950. Getting up early after a windy night to get conkers in Broomfield park. It had engraved glass in it and behind this door there was a barbers shop with two chaps who cut mens hair. I believe some time in the 80s Doms was sold but the new owner had the good foresite to retain the classic Doms signage, but not the good foresite to retain the ice cream servery!. A man who was the spitting image of Reginald Varney (On the Buses fame} served behind the counter. In answer to your question about tescos, I worked there for many years and there was a Tescos there. I remember we got a TV from Stanwood Radio and remember the tiny shop on alderman shill that had wood showing decay in the window. (opposite Courts Furnitures?) Does anyone have a photo of prewar broomhill park with its original railings? He was a brilliant dancer and he and his partner won many competitions in the old days. Again has anyone any info on Bruno? (When I was a boy is banned in daylight hours this family). Regards David. 2 min read. This was back in the early 60s. I have vague recollections of my mother taking us to what seemed quite a posh tea shop called Shepherds which was on Aldermans Hill opposite the park, does anybody remember this? I used to get home absolutely filthy but so happy. My taste dress-wise (MENS) was Bricks across the road, specially them T-shirts. Lefteris Bakery/Instagram. The chemist at the top of Hazelwood Lane was called Cross & Herbert. I could probably bore everyone to death with them! I remember once using the underground public toilet at the triangle and sure there was an assistant there in the days before we considered disabled people. Do I get commission on the bet payout? Also the sports shop was further up on the parade of shops opposite the old Woolworths. Just found this by chance and been reading some of the comments as I grew up near this area. Thanks Richard for the update on Vic, knew him from his window cleaning business in P.Green, cups of tea in Doms cafe & long discussions on where to go for the next holiday in Spain. David Way of Winchmore Hill Broadway? 213 p. 239 halftone & black & white line illustrations. One called Bourlet (nr Smokers Paradise) & Hinds which was almost opposite I think. But then came THE GIRLS. Lived in Melville Gardens and Grenoble Gardens. He has also now retired and the surgery has now moved nearer to the roundabout at W.Hill next to the petrol station. I started at Hazelwood school infants in 1965 and I remember the head Mrs Hughes in my first year. Miss Bellefontaine was the head teacher at Hazelwood Infants school during the forties, I know as I attended that school. I used to sing in the small choir there on stage just before the pictures started, members of the choir got in for nothing via the back door instead of having to pay sixpence like all the others. Apparitions were seen and there was some poltergeist activity mainly at night with loud bangs downstairs. I remember the coffee shop in the 1960s as a child. Our dentist was Mr Finkel and I remember a story about a wall falling down by his house and squashing someone! Also remember Mrs Dark who took 4A, an excellent teacher. He retired in about 1956 when I was 11 and the house was demolished after that and the land must have been sold to a developer who built the maisonettes. We had lunch at the Fox pub and then went for a stroll around Grovelands Park. It was called Briggs and there was another branch down at Wood Green. Annyway back to Patricia (and her Ma), they worshipped Grouts and in my stores upstairs I ave loads oGrouts stuff and the 60s lectric Singer sewing machine kept ready an oiled like for my grandaughter (6) and er new baby sister comin October. Remember John Menzies where I used to buy records in early 70s. and had a Saturday job in Grouts!!!! Going back a bit who used to run up Fox Lane, stand on the bridge and wait to be covered in steam from the trains . Dear Ray, If your Dad was Eric Rann, then he was my Great Uncle brother to my Granddad Syd, who also lived at The Larches. Few people in those days owned a car, most of us used public . The owners were brother and sister Dominic & Anna both born in Italy who arrived in England after the second world war,they were very hard working & organised, so much so they only lived 200 yards opposite in Tottenhall Rd. Now Mr Shepherd, Im afraid that a majority were not keen,malthough you must speak as you find. Sad as I am, I have just had a look on Google maps and as of August 2014, there was still a Doms offering Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner no mention of ice cream though! One old lady lost her life in the fire. I lived in Tottenhall Road until 1955 when we moved to Winchmore Hill but I remember the home made guys outside the shops on Green Lanes. Seekin relatives of a gentleman printer named Richard Wall who lived at No.8 The Promenade N13 opin to return some property I found, I come across this Jewel and your writinsare you related to Joe Hart for whose band my Dad used to play the saxophoneusually Friday evenins for 32/6? He even used to ask children for a tip! a great character called Brun Hill. Thanks for the info. We used to have a grocers van come around each week, does anyone remember Mr Meadows who ran this van? Bruno was my neighbour in the flats above the shops on the N Circular Rd and round the corner to Bows road He moved from the Quick service cafe to the Bezazz and as you say it was the hub for many. In 1967 I became the signalman there. Here in Cornwall too warm and damp this week for me as a farmer. Regards, Brian Watling. Yes..most definitely, I have a memory of a house flattened at the bottom of Park Avenue near to NRC. Have a nice trip! Dad was in the ARP with your uncle, I have been trying to find some photos of the ARP at Palmers Green but as yet not successful. Other teachers were Miss Sweeny who would let you ring the bell if it was your birthday, Miss Calcott (horrible) and Mrs Dark. Since 1970 Ive lived in the Netherlands and from 1980 am the fortunate owner of a mint condition, unrestored 1963 Jaguar Mk 2, 3.4 litre. Thats where I bought my comics tooBeano, Whizzer & Chips and Sparkey. Can you imagine what it would be like to be caught in an air raid? Recall the police fishing bodies out of the water occasionally suicides. ps. Up until the purchase of the motorised bike I used to cycle in every day from Muswell hill. Hi Mitchell thank you for fillinin some potoles,, I attended Bowes Road School and Southgate County Grammar School. The shop later became Tesco. (appy Famiily memories agin, eh? I also loved the names of the park keepers you remember they just seem very appropriate somehow! I manage to find scraped ice cream every now and then but nothing like the taste I remember. Please help! We have new and used copies available, in 1 editions - starting at $50.53. Cullens sold loose biscuits from large tins and lots of different dried fruits and unpacked ingredients that could be bought in any quantities and were then bagged in paper bags. I remember the Brody and Hicks name and Fotovalue. Do you remember a bus that got his by a bomb during the war as no one seems to have any photos or accounts about this. I worked in Tesco in Palmers Green when I was 16 years old in roughly 1990. our school on fire by insendery bombs ,also the sky appearing like a red sun set and being told it was London docks on fire.mr rodwell Mrs green are. Play nicely please. At this point it is appropriate to include some of the memories of Cecil Hughes who, with his family, had been resident in the area . In the meantime, here are some memories of Palmers Greenfrom other sites. Other fine dinin hexperiences in dear ol Palmers Greengeograffical-wise goin east. There was a car dealership at the top end of Hedge Lane on the site currently occupied by Yaser Halim. I have a friend who grew up in Palmers green and he says that there was no Tesco in Palmers green?!! I still have a tennis racquet in the loft that I bought from P Green branch when I was about 13/14! Anyone remember The North London Decorating Company at the junction of The North Circular and Green Lanes? I wonder if anyone out there can help with a memory? There were a couple of shops where fresh coffee was roasted and ground. We often played up the Wreck at the end of Lynbridge grdns where the parky Mr Moody and his co parky Mr Savage would chase us if we caused them any trouble! I do remember a Vauxhall dealer being at the top of Hedge Lane where Yaser Halim is now. Remember Martins the newsagents- corner of Green Lanes and Hedge Lane. Spent a few happy days with him and also his parents at their house up by the new river. Janes & Adams was my favourite shop in Palmers Green. I can say that Victor enjoyed every minute of every day. Truly some of the best times of my life in Palmers Green. We bought our first TV off him, black and white of course. What a lovely road it was then. She mopped up my tears when I failed the 11+ (I did however become a teacher myself and always remembered her kindness) Then onto Winchmore County School -what a great school. The wood walls remained! To supplement income he was a musician from 1926. plate MAX 2 and Stephen Graces. However, you might ave missed as Waitrose now sez ere in Cornywall.Hazelwood Lane an the Pilgrims Rest (maitred, a Swiss gentlemanlater to command The Cherry Tree on Southgate Green) tho never done it better than Pilgrims in my an my Patricias opinionOther Cafes in Lunnon Town.. Savoy, Carlton Towers, The White House, Tante Clair etc..an them Cafes in Bray, Berks, dont make it in my list but that MacDonalds (you know, the one just across the road from Valencia (Espagne?) remember the milkman coming round with his horse? Cameracraft now theres a blast from the past too! The manager in the 60s was Keith Small, very nice man who had a daughter Jacqueline. And talk of the Beezazwe had the Two Bare Feet coffee bar in Winchesterif you could get past Sgt. Dave then joined him at Kelvin and we became great mates and we would go to Arsenal matches together. I also, an geography class at Southgate County Fox Lane Please Miss! I bought my first motorised bike from them, a cycle master, which had an engine in the back wheel. The front half was a sweet shop and there was hair all over the floor, The old buzzard who cut the hair used to ask for a tip. I also went to Bowes Road School but only from 1952 to 1953 in the infants. By the way, the founder of the H&C chain of grocers made a lot of money and had built for him the last castle to be built in England; Castle Drago in Devon now a National Trust Property. I used to by comics from him in the 60s. . We lived just at the top of Sidney Avenue in Palmerston Road and I remember crouching under the kitchen table as a very small girl with my mother and my brother and I can still recall the sound of the planes going overhead and the gun fire. The following year came a new head Mrs Cannon in 1968 I went up into the juniors and the head there was Mrs Gibbs . dont make us laugh its football or economics ere. I think it was called Harvey Sports (a friend of mine had a Saturday job there) & next door was a fabric shop called Metres which sold everything from net curtains to dress fabrics and upholstery materials, The couple who ran it were very kind & patient working our how much material you needed for your windows etc. Grouts the haberdashers on the corner of Green Lanes and a small side road the name of which I cant recall and then a little further down, near Fox Lane and on the other side a huge white post office. Jeremy Hoare, pictured left aged nine, grew up in Palmers Green, north London, next to an image of him now (Jeremy Hoare/PA) A community radio station presenter has recalled the "fabulous" photographs he took on his Kodak Box Brownie camera as a schoolchild at Queen Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953. The Fox stands in a prominent position on the corner of Green Lanes and its namesake, Fox Lane. Also Broody and Hicks who sold cameras in the 1970s. Lovely shops, great parks such a pretty place. Wishin you Happy New Year! Mr and Mrs Glossop were a very jolly couple always ready to share a yarn. He was simply the best jiver (having been a professional dancer in his younger days). Founded in 1901 by my grandfather, but was knocked down in the 60s to make way for the widened North Circular? 2023 Palmers Green Jewel in the North, Palmers Green history, people and community, The twentieth century and urban life in literature, Palmers Green Baptist Church, Green Lanes, Palmers Green United Reformed Church, Fox Lane/Burford Gardens, St Georges Presbyterian Church, Fox Lane / St Georges Road (demolished), Palmers Green and Southgate Synagogue, Brownlow Road, Palmers Green Mosque and Education Centre, Oakthorpe Road, Local dignatories, bigwigs and characters, Improbably famous in Palmers Green #5: Jack Hargreaves, Intimate demolition plans: Just a minute says Nicholas Parsons. Dad joined the Home Guard and I remember him cleaning his rifle regularly which used to stand in the corner of the kitchen. My brothers and I were trying to remember where the furniture store Jays was located in Palmers Green, can someone help. Take butchers, for instance, within 10-15 min walk of me (Chequers Way, where Metal Box Co was), there were 5/6 butchers that I remember walking to with my Mum. James what year were you at Ambrose Fleming , I was there from when it first opened in 1962 [ I think ] until 1965 . for Joe Hart at Tottenham Muni and Manor ouse Finsbury P, Dick Davis an Billy Cotton etc. So my boyhood dreams finally became reality! I seem to recall that it was situated in Princes Avenue on the right, a short distance from Green Lanes. Dobbin fell over on the slope below the New river bridge in Hazelwood Lane when the road was very icy one winter and we all rushed out with buckets of cinders to spread over the road so the horse to get e grip and get back on its feet, luckily no harm was done and the milk was just a bit late being delivered that day. My family name was Church but we have moved away now. Until it closed. (Miss Watts?) Meldrum. By the way I went to Winchmore Secondary Modern in the days when Mr. Shepherd was headmaster I liked him a lot the naughty kids called him the beak but he was a nice man. N21. The garage was Saul and Slatter Ltd. Tall and imposing, for those coming to Palmers Green from the north, it acts as a gateway into Palmers Green's main shopping area. Dordrecht, Netherlands Ive only just found your comment. Incidentally Gran used to black her ever smouldering grate with liquid something which inevitably warmed the proceedings. There was no bomb site where the garage was. She was a lovely lady; then onto Junior school run by Miss Belfontaine, who was a bit of a demon but very good at her job. Please?? Hope this helps. There were two blokes in the back workshop mending bikes and preparing new ones. 348 Green Lanes, Palmers Green, N13 5TJ. As Mr. Auger sed want to be a farmer eh-eh-young-un? The money offered was flushed along and up to the cashier in the small glass fronted cash office, high up. I also remember being taken into a shelter during this time due to the `doodle Bugs, although I was only about 3-4 years of age. I remember the Ford Zephyr. In the last few years Windsor Rd closed and we had to go to W Hill. Dads brother, Uncle Sid Rann lived at no 22. David.just seen your mail regardin Palmers\Geen Photo istory and sees you now lives in Australiado you know my cousin Jill Rann (as was) lived at 22 The Larches.N13? One in Tottenhall Rd, Drakes at The Cambridge roundabout & at the Triangle, another at Empire Parade and Dewhurst in Green Lanes opp Tottenhall Rd. When we were small the barber put a piece of wood across the arms of the chair for us to sit on or we could not be seen in the mirror! They sold lovely solid, classy furniture. The garage was called Saul and Slatters. The corner premises were never re-built on and the empty space was then used as an open car forecourt called Kieths Cars. I have fond memories of Palmers Green, as I worked at the station from aged 15 in 1963 till 1968. Cam rember going to your uncles house one Xmas where everybody joined in to play Charades, I played out being a Milkman with horse and cart! Sylvia. In my form 5 of us went on to become teachers.so much for the 11+ . Sylvia Gambin. however, it did changes hands to a new type of shop a few years later. Ma used to send me there up Hedge Lane in the school olidays with a shillin for my lunch (includin tip)I remembers the custard. Patricia loved the picturesbut for me the sing along organ player at Capitol Winchmor ill.. why did we did disagree occasion like.ladies may comment, no rush. We moved to Crawley in about 1955 or 6. Yes Simon there are on this site. Hello Christine, I do remember the china and glass shop which I went in with my Mother to buy any special gifts for people. You just came up in conversation and I Googled you. Opposite Grouts well almost. Hi John ! Do you John manses I use to buy my records in the 70s and 80s, Lived in Palmers Green from 1966 to 1987. On the corner of Aldermans Hill and Devonshire Gdns was the United Dairies shop. He used to fish the river during his leisure time, the only person in those days who could legally do so as the river was out of bounds to all. Also the lady who sold us orange flavoured ice cubes for 1 penny . Shame I cannot post some photos here. Remember the Pet Shop across the road from there, selling all manner of exotic animals (would be prohibited today) including Marmaset monkeys! Singapore 45. It wasnt the Home & Colonial that was a few shops further up, I will ask around about the name but ohhh!! Winchmore School was my school from 1955-1960. Your change would come whizzing back in the rather splendid looking canisters. Sorry to say my own Weddin Photos (brilliant) from Artricia, Winchmore Hill selected by my father-in-law Edward Cable Later on in Advertisin I helped to promote the 10 fare to Australia for adventurous families but had to stay behind to assist David Bailey, Don McCullin, Billy Apple et al.. No rush now but still on the familly tree search (Sixteen String Jack Rann and Sue) (Sue still rowing back to GB from Botany Bay 1779)ave you eard from yore coastgards annythin? I used to go to the Devonshire Cafe for dinner, not everyday but quite a few times, we would take the dinner back to the station, then return the empty plates all washed. If I remember correctly you used to play the piano, Michelle I started Hazelwood in January 1964. We lived in Osborne Road (1955 ) but then moved to Old Park Road just over 10 years later where we stayed until the late 70s. Gerry, my email is g.hicks@msn.com would like to know more as cant use laura@yahoo.com my mail is returned. We met at Bowes Road School Tuesday evenings and learnt first aid, home nursing, drill, lots of things. Thanks David, my son has just shown me some pictures of that dreadful scene at Sidney Ave but I think I must be losing the plot because I really dont remember it being a bomb site after the war. It is being discussed today and frequently, on my Facebook page Winchmore Hill And Palmers Green Memories. And another question on the same side as the H&C but further towards Winchmore Hill opposite a photographers, there was a Jaguar garage. She would sit regally on the little wooden chairs by the counter. Daughter of Uncle Sid Rann (Imperial Father of the Chapel. One day I remember hearing some youths had put a razor blade on the shoot and I was terrified. I used it fir a while to work as a mini cab driver for a bloke called Roy that was in a tacky office opposite Woodberry Avenue (where I lived) in Green Lanes. Also, as memory has been shown to be reconstructive in nature, Loftus and Palmer predicted that the wording of a question could influence recall. Where do you live now? Hi Gerry The mention of Grouts brouht back many memories. 020 8881 7304. I can still remember how I felt when I saw it. I remember the bloke who served there and was a grumpy old git so I suspect this could be the same place. No Dave,my brothers name is Derek married to Cathy. Gerry Hicks, Hi. He was on duty the night a German bomber that had been badly damaged by ack-ack fire abandoned his bomb load on the dance hall above the shops in Green Lanes between Princes Avenue and Tottenhall Road. His house and grounds backed onto the new river on the opposite bank to ours which was in Lynbridge gardens. Pennie, I can tell you have great taste! Bamboo cane area dividers, Italian shiny coffee machines and music.. VangelisVangelis: Delectus 2016 Universal Music International BV / Polydor (UK). Everett was the first black lad in our school in the mid 50s. Image supplied by Enfield Local Studies and Archive. Perhaps he moved out of the area or maybe passed away and the family sold it but thats only a guess. Koubes here are also a match for Aroma with a slightly deeper, sweeter taste from sticky caramelised onions. However, local schools do still use Arnos Grove, Southgate, Edmonton Green pools etc. Sylvia Gambin. My parents bought our very first television from them a Bush table model which was also installed by them. They ran the cafe on their own with no other help. Next..The Triangle Cafe shut (ABC an Lyons) also shut at 5.. Keith Headley, did you live on N.C.R? I also attended Hazelwood school and remember Mrs bellefontaine I am now 66 years old. I lived in New River Crescent. The price stickers rather than bar codesThe staff cafeteria the bag searches as you left the building after a shift etc etc. Laura. I have created this group to remember the good times and the fun times of palmers Green growing up in the 70s and the 80s I look back on for memories of palmers Green so please feel free to share. Like me, she does remember the car dealer being there though. AnnywayI bought my first camera from Mr Kalms (Dixons) Edgeware (Agfa Silette) on the knock (so much a week) and cycled to Edgeware to pay the monthlya Canon copy of the Leica followed f1.8 lens but paid its way at weddins and I think I was one of the first to get back with ome developed colour (Ferrania) to the celebrations in them days. Coronation fireworks display in the park. He took the train each morning from Palmers Green station. Veluchis barber shop near the Triangle- only one and three pence for a mod style hair cut. People were lying everywhere because a bus had been crushed, and there had been a dance going on in the hall above Pitmans College which had been bombed. us failed musicians worship for evermore.no rush puttin the latest grandaughter Reenie to bed..ope she gets on the bandstand soon shes got the lungs for it and we may need er thirty shillins a week to pay orf the mortgage.Annyway (am I keepin you up?) Little did we know when we saw Shirley Bassey at her first performance, that she would go on to become such a great star. The farmhouse was built in 1720 by a Mrs Childs. Biking from The Larches to Holborn Kingsway, clock in at 8 am, carry bike up 4 flights of stairs, no smoking allowed, no sitting down cept lunch time at the frame. Good Morning America is still very much interested in doing further fake degree segments. I also remember Vic Madden the window cleaner. 1955-1957. He had been a prisoner of war and always seemed incredibly nervous. It catered for men and women. No this barbers was near Janes and Adams Electrical shop and also bicycle shop. I was in my late teens when it was opened. Yes, Dave, I knew Vic Madden by sight only, in the early 60s. Haveyou and your family lived or worked inthe Palmers Green area for donkeys years? As she asked for opera top petticoats and long legged knickers the woman behind the counter would operate the very cleaver drawers lining the walls holding the goods. Would love to hear your memories of the 50s & 60s. I lived in New River Crescent 1950, 60s and 70s. Happy times at Arnos school and some not so nice if you got the cane. My grandmother moved to Halifax in 1919 and remarried. It was quite good really if you wanted a weatherproof coat and were prepared to go in! I remember that day vividly as, just as the tv was made to work, on the screen we were just in time to see the Boat Race with Oxford sinking up to their waists in water. although i dont remember it having a cafe, maybe it did before my time though. Its best to just have fond memories of how it was Sylvia. There was a garage forecourt at the top of Hedge Lane where in intersects with Green Lanes, Was that a WW2 bomb site does anyone know? My main memory of the Queens Cinema was the film The King and I which I watched there with one of my friends Malcom Oldhill. Hi Anna, I remember the tea shop next to t he. Palmers Green Congregational Church hall was built in Fox Lane in 1909, with a church designed in a late Gothic style by George Baines and Son being added alongside in 1913-14. . Clock out 5.30 pm and ride home. We would love to hear about your memories of the area, andhow ithas changed, over a cup of tea. very posh! Was the camera shop you are thinking off Camera Craft just beyond the top of Osborne Road and some way short of Hedge Lane? . I met him later as a tenant in one of his many properties and worked for him for a short while in the 90s. I was Yvonne Farmer and our form teacher was Mrs Phair. I believe she moved up to Scotland after living in Ibiza for a while.

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