50 beowulf vs 300 blackout

The vast majority of .223 Remington factory loads shoot bullets in the 35-90 grain range. They give you basically the same punch as a short-action cartridge (at least for a couple of hundred yards) but keep the package small. The 5.56 looks as sleek and racy as a cheetah while the .50 Beowulf resembles acaballito. You cannot run a 243 Winchester through an AR-15. . The performance of the 50 Beowulf drops off considerably past 150 yards as the bullet goes subsonic at this range. I didnt speak to Bill Alexander, but Dave did throughout his ordering process. That alone ends the debate for me. Ive been toying with a .458 socom, but it looks like the .50 ammo is a bit cheaper. Yes, precisely. The cartridge is just short enough to fit in a standard AR magazine, although for obvious reasons (it's fat) it wont double stack like .223 Rem./5.56 NATO cartridges. Ralph bought all the .50 AE. Littered with spent .22 casings. There are enough options for ammo, that you can pick the ammo for what you're doing. in this video we compare the 308 winchester. I use the plated rainier 330grn bullets most the time in the Beowulf, they are around $0.20 a piece. I love my AA 50 Beowulf overmatch rifle! If your AR platform fires 7.62x39, .300 AAC, or even .50 Beowulf, the heaviest buffer weight is your go-to, as it will help reduce the recoil and cycle the larger rounds. A couple of frangible loads are available for door lock busting and training use..50 Beowulf AmmunitionAs a proprietary cartridge, ammunition choices are somewhat limited. If the requirement is to zip through heavy vehicle glass, the .50 Beowulf will do that with minimal, if any, bullet deflection. Well, due to of the short supply of elk at the rifle range and the prevalence of small block engines in the parking lot, we couldnt put the .50 to the ultimate of tests by killing big game and Chevys. It performed without a single hiccup, no matter what lower parts and magazines we used. The ammo I use is right froqm Alexander . Ssshhhhhh. Whats even less obvious is that the Alexander upper has an enlarged ejection port. Its a great gun and the accuracy was excellent. Ed, those are Hornady 300gr FTX (flex tip, expanding), Tried some in my reloads and their terminal performance was lacking compared to the 335 Rainier HP. Big game hunters and passionate reloaders will award it five. 86# doe, shot in the left shoulder, the lump you see is the bullet under the hide on the off side. Like a good facelift, theres a visible but not a dramatic difference. This gun has a quick change barrel, so all you have to do is change out the barrel, bolt, and in some cases with the pistol calibers, the magwell changes as well. Maybe for me, but not for you. The old 30-30 clearly beats the standard loads for the 6.8 SPC and the 300 AAC Blackout and is roughly the equal of the high pressure Tactical 6.8 loads at the 100 yard mark, which is a pretty reasonable . Dont insult the cartridge, please. As a matter of fact Bill Alexander built it for hog hunting. I felt it was too good a deal to pass up, and I have been wanting to build a pistol version for some time now. Those cases are on the chubby side and need a bit more elbow room to escape.Most of the current upper-receiver models include 16.5-inch barrels. Easy to reload(no shoulder to reshape) Slugs and powder are easy to find(thank you 500 s&w). Some observations: the pictures upper looks like the 16 Advanced Weapons System upper with the tank brake muzzle brake. We have provided recommending starting charges, which should be safe in every modern, correctly manufactured, and maintained firearm of the appropriate caliber. For a 300 blackout, what is the optimum barrel length for AR? A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. Its going to take time to get your gun. LeGendre cites Lt. Col. Jeff Coopers writings on the Thumper concept as his inspiration for creating the 450 BM. Only a liberal would call it a (clip). But, quickly growing in popularity are the stalwart 7.6239 mm and the newer .300 AAC Blackout that, ballistics-wise, can be quite similar. 7.62x39 Rifles ; 7.62x39 Pistols . The ammo I use is right froqm Alexander . I used the Beowulf for hunting- it's light, short, easy to pack, and packs a punch. Check. For 450 and 458, elk can be taken safely within 150 yards while whitetail can be ethically harvested at 250 yards. The 600 grain Brenneke slugs for smooth bores carry less velocity but more energy. The limiting reagent is the magwell. I don't see why you couldn't use it to hunt deer either. None of which has an adverse effect on my love of lever guns. Unadulterated overkill for self-defense, not quite accurate enough for high power target shooting and possibly too much gun for whitetails or muleys, it seems like a rifle with limited utility. To put Alexander Arms claims to the test, I joined TTAG commenter Greg in Allston and his pal Dave for an afternoon of blazing away with this interesting and capable cartridge. Along the same lines, an AR-15 chambered for .454 Casull would also be interesting. You can certainly hunt with a 50 Beowulf. Lancer mags are the best plastic mags. You might recognize that name from another cartridge developed by Alexander Arms.So given the attributes were going to discuss, the Beowulf name seems entirely appropriate. Ha! Grendel and his cranky mom have already been dispatched by the Beowulf, but theres still plenty of perfectly good applications for this thumper. Its just a tad more than the .223 cousin. Precision One loads a round using Hornady's. Must the base of brass casings be small (on the order of .30 caliber) in order to be compatible with the AR-15 platform? I think Ill be looking into getting one when theyve caught up to their orders. So much the better. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. I miss it and I'd really like to get another one. Love to go to our farm and hit coyotes and feral dogs..rolls them up like a .22 does a soda can. It looks odd, but it isnt. Deer? Maybe redo some of the old muskets that shot .75 caliber balls. Bullets fire by the 450 Bushmaster are also fired by three popular handgun cartridges, the 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W. Thats fair. 350 Legend is a growing cartridge with a growing fanbase. It obviously retains more velocity down range because it has a smaller cross section than .50 caliber bullets. I agree with 2 MOA, which is roughly what mine shoots, but mine wears Troy back up iron sights. But there is a charm to a .45-70 in a big, honkin lever action (yeah, I know old school). Just ordered mine! There is one company making a side feeding bolt action upper (the idea of which i love, but it only comes in anti-material rounds and im not in the market). Flawless. Quote RUTGERS95 NJGF Cornerstone Premier Member 874 3,532 posts Location: middletown, nj Home Range: cjrpc Trader Feedback 10 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted August 10, 2013 neither, look at the 6.8 and call it a day I see some B.S. Im thinking that the original Beowulf would have much rather entered that dragons lair with an Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. However, comparing the entry wounds on paper from the .50 and the 5.56 made a very cogent point. While comfort was totally dependent on technique, ease of shooting accurately was somewhat dependent on the lower. Lets put it in perspective comparing it to something we all know and love: a 12-gauge slug. The .50 Beowulf is a rifle big-bore cartridge developed by Alexander Arms for use in a modified AR-15 rifle. It is also the most important factor when computing kinetic energy. But, since selling my 50BMG, kind of want another big boomer. If a related requirement calls for going into vehicle interiors without using the handles meaning right through the doors or body, the same benefits apply. Beowulf sounds cool, I wish they would SAAMI approve the thing so it could go into mass production though What's impressing me is the video shows an 8 inch hitting 700m. Thats good news for anyone who might find himself confronted by a savage Silverado. I placed the order on a Friday and on Saturday my next door neighbor, who owns a big gun shop in Punxsutawney, PA, faxed the paperwork. 3. Although the terminal ballistics and effective range of all three rounds are similar, each cartridge is unique and has its own advantages and disadvantages that shooters need to weigh before upgrading their AR-15. Any way you want it, the .50 Beowulf is a reloaders delight because of its case design and the ready availability of .50 caliber bullets. Could you shoot me an email so we can touch base? That said, I had to have a big bore too. Id like to deer hunt with an AR but Ive seen deer shot but not killed with a .223 (I know, shot placement, but nobodys perfect.). The rapid fire capability and fun factor of the .50 is unparalleled. There isnt a single big game rifle in the world that can do 10% of what the Beowulf can do which is reason enough but what other reason should you need than its a FIFTY CALIBER AR15!!! Concerning the weight of the wulf upper. Utility be damned. Hmmm.I see a new legislative agenda in the works. The family resemblance between the Beowulf carbine and your basic AR-15 is obvious. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. In contrast, the 458 can fire bullets between 200 to 600 grains with 250gr, 300gr, and 350gr being more common. For the 458 SOCOM, less expensive factory loads from Underwood Ammo can be had for around $2/round while bear hunting hard cast loads from Buffalo Bore run upwards of $5/round. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/knitepoet/Hunting/bullet1.jpg, Heres the recovered slug, bullet is a 335 Ranier HP in my handloads @ 1812 MV, range was a lased 41 yards, deer dropped at the shot with one back leg kick Thats also about the distance where kinetic energy drops below 1,000 foot-pounds.What does all that mean? I love the Wulf. Would be doing an AR setup instead of a bolt action. By 300 yards, were looking at a 46-inch drop. The .50 Beowulf cartridge is based on the .50 Action Express, a large pistol cartridge thats the source of the Desert Eagles legendary power and even more legendary recoil. Personally, I say get both. Whats not as obvious is that the Alexander Arms upper receivers include a bolt carrier and bolt compatible with that 7.62x39 mm rebated cartridge rim. The same ammo from Midway will be even cheaper when its in stock. I havent had a chance to shoot at 200 yards yet but it performed great at 100 and 150. Anything .308 / 7.62 x 51 based will not fit into an AR-15 mag well. .300 Blackout load Winchester Deer Season 150 grain Extreme Point (EP) - BC .392 Velocity and Energy Velocity flattens trajectory and makes hitting easier as the range increases. We often hear about the average self-defense scenario, but the truth is every encounter is unique. Although developed under different circumstances, both the Beowulf and the SOCOM share the same parent case. Now when Im bear hunting with hounds Im not loading and unloading my gun 20 times a day. I think it's a great all around cartridge. The people are so happy that the beer hall was saved that they eventually make Beowulf King. Check out the two holes at 9 oclock on this target. In other words, it hits hard. This not only allows use of a more standard bolt, but it also allows that bolt to have enough metal on it to withstand pressure over time and use.As for the launcher part, Alexander Arms offers both complete upper receivers and fully-built rifles. I personally have a couple of these modular systems that include .22, 9 mm, .223, 7.62 x 39, .450 Bushmaster thumper, and a .50 Beowulf. Double check. Pistol Buffer 5.0-8.5 oz. I say build both and have double the fun. I like the 50 Beowulf because I can shoot that almost anywhere. I have a 50 Beowulf with a 10.5 barrel. However, the chart below will give you a general idea of how much recoil each cartridge imparts on the shooter. While at modest ranged the big 50 Beowulf dominates the energy category, the 30-30 is also bested by the 6.5 Grendel but not that not by much. The Ranier 335gr HPs make FINE whitetail medicine. Plus Ive dealt with Bill Alexander when I had some questions about a different rifle and hes a really great guy who cares very much about his customers and the companys customer service is also excellent. Not that large game outside of that isn't applicable. In this caliber comparison article, we are going to take a detailed look at both the 300 AAC Blackout and the 308 Winchester. Get a little lackadaisical and your shoulder will quickly advise you that your technique could stand some improvement. I reload so either won't be a problem. If you have either, your opinions will be helpful. Guess Im one of the few who noticed. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. In Michigan the only way I can have a loaded gun in my truck is if its a pistol with my cpl. In fact, outside of the first 100-yards, the differences are effective entirely negligible. I dont see really see the niche where this cartridge fits in: Once you get over the giggle/fun factor, is there any application that this would really excel in? 300 Blackout Rifles ; 300 Blackout Pistols ; 300 Blackout Complete Uppers ; 300 Blackout Barrels ; 7.62x39 . The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy.Precision One loads a round using Hornadys 350-grain XTP Magnum hollow point projectile. This novel bullet type is injection molded from a blend of polymer and copper. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy. Not only do they hit hard on large game, but they impart stout recoil on the shooters shoulder as well. On an episode of some weapons show on the Military Channel, Mr. Alexander described the Beowulf as, a wrecking ball I wholeheartedly agree. Good technique seems to be the difference between an exciting shooting experience and the onset of bursitis. Removing the bolt carrier group (BCG) for a look-see, theres another apparent difference. We shot hollow points, but you can have your .50s with brass or lead solids or FMJ if you prefer. You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. Pistols give you more FREEDOM when you live in a liberal state. Dave brought his .50 Beowulf upper receiver, Stag Arms lower receiver assembly, and a lady friend, while Greg and I brought a complement of lowers ranging from basic to upscale. .50 cal sabot slugs from a semi auto 12 gauge arent all that much different. Half the fun of old cars is the manual transmission. 50 Beowulf: JHP: 325: 2524: 1870: 50 Beowulf: XTP HP: 350: . Factory ammo from Alexander Arms will run you around $1.70/round while custom ammo for hunting or personal defense will typically cost around $3/round. Survival AR-7 Rifle, Gun Review: Blaser R8 Ultimate Carbon Hunting Rifle, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/knitepoet/Hunting/bullet2.jpg. Hogzilla? The carbine, all fitted out with stuff, is a tad heavy. In fact, to plan my most recent build which is intended as a hunting rifle, I weighed the pros and cons of 300, 6.8, 6.5G, 277 Wolverine, 25-45 Sharps, 50 Beowulf, 7.62x39, and stepping up to an AR-10 in 308 for a deer and hog rifle. I mostly went with this caliber because it makes a nice SBR, found out about suppressor abilities and I'm itching to slap one on there now. Was looking for AP bullets for the beo but doesn't look like anyone makes them. I have no proof of that, just what I read so it might be wrong., Anywho, doesnt change the point I was getting tothe why not use the biggest, meanest, most powerful hammer in the toolbox?, Also, in full disclosure, I am a Beowulf fan girl, I love them. The 450 BM is no slouch when it comes to kinetic energy, as the 250 gr FTX round had 2,687 ft-lbs of energy while the 300 gr JHP hit with 2,405 ft-lbs. Greg in Allstons presentation is so grooved that every shot he takes with any rifle looks exactly the same, and he shot the Beowulf offhand to great effect. This upper and round look perfect for taking down some white tails and getting more use out of my AR than plinking or just in case shtf. Can load my AP bullets in the 300 too. Many shooters and hunters, particularly those who prefer Modern Sporting Rifles, would probably agree that the .300 Blackout and 7.6239 are both effective cartridges that offer certain advantages over the .223 Remington. You know, I would normally think of this as a novelty item, but as of this year we in Ohio can now hunt Deer with rifles other than muzzle loaders, but there is a catch We have to use a rifle chambered for straight wall pistol cartridges, such as .44 mag, 9mm, .45, etc. Each of these rounds are limited in their design capabilities due to the restrictions of the AR-15 platform. Thanks Phil in the great north west. This and throw the BO at the bear to distract him while you dump him. Around the same . 223, 308, or 243. All our shooting was from 100 yards. The icing on the cake is Alexander Arms contention that its complete Beowulf Overmatch upper assembly will mate perfectly and shoot properly on all the milspec 5.56 lowers that you might have laying around in your garage or closet, and that you wont need to modify a damn thing, including the seemingly wimpy 5.56 recoil buffer. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 50 Beowulf or 300 Blackout, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik. I took a buffalo with it, and have reduced numerous metal plate targets and bowling pins to scrap. Thats it. Thinking 18 or 20 inch barrel if I go 300. An excellent candidate for some recoil therapy. The 50 Beowulf was the first of the three thumper rounds to hit the market in early 2001 although the 458 SOCOM was released shortly after in the same year while the 450 Bushmaster was released in 2007. Seems like the perfect Great White solution to me, but then again, Im not a Hollywood gun expert.On the defensive and tactical side, those big bullets carry a lot of momentum, so theyre good for applications where penetration is required. Enjoy. I have used different lowers with the same result. Ballistic coefficient (BC) is a measure of how aerodynamic a bullet is and how well it will resist wind deflection. I hate getting something so well made and nice looking which is doesnt fit and is therefore useless. Danish King Hrothgars beer hall was under attack by a demonic monster. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. . This is a beautiful piece of crap. And for those shooters who just want MORE, this trifecta of Thumper rounds can provide all the kinetic energy and recoil your heart could desire the 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf. run off AR-10 platforms. Hunting with an AR would make me more proficient and would be more realistic training for when it really counts. When I take government sponsor trips to interesting places, I carry an AR. This may not be completely accurate in terms of real-world experience, as 50 Beowulf rifles are generally a little heavier than 450 Bushmaster rifles. I'm pleased with my 300 BLK, waiting on the stamp to put a rifle stock on it. Speaking of box magazines, the company offers an optimized version but the round will work with standard GI magazines. All Rights Reserved. I have the basic Entry model and its listed @ only 4.5pounds w/o optic. The perfect niche for such a weapon that otherwise seems unnecessary, but fills a specific role most dont consider better than most other rifles can. I didnt want it, but it shows sloppy management that the invoice says it was in the shipment. The Overmatch Plus starts at $968, and the cheapest upper is the Entry at $759.00. But I do love my big bores , tough choice I had to indulge in all . You would think a pistol caliber build, which uses smaller rounds overall, would require a lighter buffer weight. Bottom line: Beowulf is an epic, but dead, folk hero with valid monster-slaying certificate of participation. This allows hand loaders the flexibility to create rounds that are customized to their rifle and their unique shooting needs. I do have one gripe on the Beowulfs appropriate game list. What testing has found is that 5.56mm at 500 yards had a high-velocity thanks to the lower weight of the 5.56mm NATO bullet. Add your M-LOK handguard, KeyMod front end, or other rifle accessories as you deem fit. A .308 Winchester ranges from 11 to 18 with most loads in the 15 and 16 foot-pound range. Sadly, well never know. In terms of rifle availability, there are considerably more options for the 450 Bushmaster compared to the 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf. Thats also why AAs Grendel and Beowulf barrels/bolts arent compatible with other Grendel and 12.742 (Beowulf w/o the copyright) barrels/bolts. FYI, those interested in ordering one, December 2015 the wait from order date to arrival was only 2 weeks and the gun store owner and gunsmith were in awe of the gun and ammo. In contrast, the 50 Beowulf has a 0.447 diameter rim which is the same as another round made by Alexander Arms, the 6.5 Grendel. The reason Mr. A went with the 7.6239 head size was, per an interview he did about it, because thats the largest he could make an AR bolt without significantly weakening the lugs. The areas I hunt require either a shotgun or a rifle, and semi-auto rifles are not permitted in either jurisdiction (PA and Sweden). That was with the 335 grain FMJ target loads, I imagine some of the others would cause mayhem. The 400-grain load travels at 1,875 fps and delivers 3,123 foot-pounds at the muzzle.When I said lob earlier, I meant it. In fact, at first glance the Beowulf looks like any other AR-15, save for a heavy barrel that looks like it was borrowed from a shotgun and a shoebox size tank-style muzzle brake pinned (in Massachusetts) to the muzzle. The 6.8 SPC, the .458 SOCOM, the .50 Beowulf; all were built to give the AR-15 a different level of performance than the standard 5.56 NATO/.223 Rem. Would work nicely should I luck out and draw a moose permit. It should be noted that none of these cartridges would be described as having low recoil. Example my 338lapua,I have never shot it,never had enough real-estate but hey I got one lol the same with the Beowulf, Some things are just for shits and giggles, I love my Beowulf many years shooted shotguns muzzleloaders couldnt get that long-range to kill the nice big bucks dont have to worry about that with the Beowulf knock down power is phenomenal one shot one kill. You wont have to guess which is the .50 Beowulf and which is the 5.56 NATO. The 50 Beowulf fires a 0.50 diameter bullet like the 500 S&W Magnum and 50 AE. Tried to edit the above post but it didnt take so Ill do it here. Lets assume an eight-pound rifle for all these examples since what you feel varies with rifle weight. The opposite is true, though. This means that the 50 Beowulf effective range for deer is around 150 yards and 100 yards for elk. Like muzzle velocity, the 30-06 was more efficient at conserving kinetic energy at range than the 450 Bushmaster. 300 Blackout vs. 5.56 Bullet Energy (ftlbf) Range 110-grain Hornady GMX 300 Blackout . The NSA is in the room and they blab everything to the keepers of the NICS. The bottom line is that a muzzle brake will be your friend even if it does frustrate your range neighbors. Its more of a blunt instrument, and should kill anything it hits. The .50 Beowulf is compatible with standard AR-15 upper and lower receivers, handguards, buffer systems and small parts. Practical Applications 300 Blackout was designed as a combat cartridge, but it also has found a role in home defense and hunting. He changed the bolt dimension/head space to leave a little more metal in the lug area which means they wont head space properly when mixed (AA bolt, other bbl or AA bbl and other 7.6239 bolt). Standard mags should work. Every single person who has shot it, loves the gun.. And I always bring extra ammo for the range for them to try. Most .50 Beowulf ammo you'll come across falls in the 300-400 grain range, and even at the very low end you're still looking at a muzzle velocity of nearly 1900 fps, which translates into 2,300 foot-pounds of energy. Ive had my .50 Beowulf for about 3 years now and I love it! I will try to post a report after I have assembled it and taken it for a spin. To provide a clean apples to apples comparison, a standard AR-15 carbine weight (7.5 lbs) will be used for each calculation. The 450 BM and 458 SOCOM have the same rim diameter of 0.473, which is the same as the 308 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 270 Win. I stole one from an inexpensive starter AR(Stag model1+) I have a 2 stage tactical trigger and an PRS stock ready to assemble for it.. Although the 50 fires the largest caliber bullet of the three, its inefficient bullet design hemorrhages velocity and kinetic energy down range and has gone completely subsonic at 200 yards. FWIW, good quality .50 Beowulf ammo is a bit cheaper, too. Theres no denying that the pairing of the AR-15 platform and the 223 Remington is an exceptional match. All our loading data is intended solely for use in modern firearms. BEST OF ALL: This message is generic and is incapable of knowing which one applies to your order. AND ONE of these is the reason you got this message. I use a Leupold VX-R 1.25-4X20 HOG scope with FireDot illuminated reticle and it turns a .50 Beowulf into just the most amazing carbine/rifle (mines a 16 barrel) you could ever imagine for wild hogs, elk, moose, bison, brown bear, Sasquatchs, Yetis, Wooly Mammoth, great white sharks, rogue elephants, hippos, rhinosauruses and flying tryranasauruses. Our buddy Dave describes the .50 slug, especially the HP, as a flying ashtray. The Beowulf does have more perceived recoil that a 7.62 NATO, but no more or perhaps a tad less than a 12 gauge firing reduced recoil 00 buck. And wait some more. AA, Midway and other retailers offer several more expensive ammo flavors, but all ammo costs can be mitigated by reloading. The differences between 50 Beowulf vs 556 is the bullet diameter each cartridge fires, intended engagement ranges, and kinetic energy. Free recoil is dependent on bullet weight, rifle weight, muzzle velocity, and powder charge. Hi I got A Davidson Defense Nitride Finish BCG 7.6239 for my complete upper pistol kit,So my bolt will work or not with both of them? Dave told me that Alexander is responsive and professional. For the 458, the most common options available are AR-15 rifles from manufacturers like Tromix, Wilson Combat, and Bear Creek Arsenal (BCA).

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